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David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 17:13:00 - [1] - Quote I like how a player whining about SP is here to tell higher SP players how it is to play the game at higher SP.
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:46:00 - [2] - Quote Daisai wrote: And about David Cedarbridge his post. Your post kinda contradicts what the people who disagree with me are trying to say. Your post now says that amount SP does matter. And im not only saying how pvp is in eve online at higher SP im saying after years of experience in high end gaming how high end gaming works. I'm glad you're capable of handling points of view that are not all the same. :rolleyes: My point is that you do not seem to have a real concept of how skill points actually impact combat and gameplay. Yet, for some reason, you feel the need to lecture people on how oppressed you feel by people who have more than you do. Either way around, you're a bit too excited about things and this thread in general. I'd suggest you take a step back and consider why you feel that a character who cannot invest a month worth of SP into training a ship to what you seem to think is an "adequate" level for this tournament, should be able to participate at the same level as others before you start acting entitled.
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 21:03:00 - [3] - Quote Daisai wrote: David Cedarbridge wrote: Daisai wrote: And about David Cedarbridge his post. Your post kinda contradicts what the people who disagree with me are trying to say. Your post now says that amount SP does matter. And im not only saying how pvp is in eve online at higher SP im saying after years of experience in high end gaming how high end gaming works. I'm glad you're capable of handling points of view that are not all the same. :rolleyes: My point is that you do not seem to have a real concept of how skill points actually impact combat and gameplay. Yet, for some reason, you feel the need to lecture people on how oppressed you feel by people who have more than you do. Either way around, you're a bit too excited about things and this thread in general. I'd suggest you take a step back and consider why you feel that a character who cannot invest a month worth of SP into training a ship to what you seem to think is an "adequate" level for this tournament, should be able to participate at the same level as others before you start acting entitled. According to your first post i dont need to point out to you examples of how having all skills at 5 give a bigger advantage then players who dont. Since according to your post knowledge of this game is determined by the amount of skillpoints someone has, which is wrong ofc and your post is a clear example of that. Anyway, my question i asked at first is answerd. That is that the characters in the tournament are not setup just for the tournament and therefor new players will not have the same chance as older players. If you're going to keep trying to make my points for me I think you'd be better off talking to yourself, since you seem rather fond of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman I have stated (and your very poor English skills have made it very clear that you haven't read what I've said) that first-hand use of skills makes one more informed of how they actually impact play. And again, to your question you seem to be ignoring answers to, a counter question: why should characters who are not skilled to fly pvp ships have an equal footing against those are skilled to fly those ships and to fly them well?
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 22:11:00 - [4] - Quote Daisai wrote: Because its a tournament. Tournaments should be based on the players and team skills on the ingame skills learned on a live server. Anyway since this is not the case the alliance tournament is noting more then a tournament of the one who has the most skillpoints focused in combat. Just because you keep saying it, does not make it true.
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 197	Posted - 2012.04.10 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote Daisai wrote: MotherMoon wrote: Daisai wrote: For logi's in a pvp battle you need logi 5 to be succesfull, you cant show up with logi lvl 2 for example and expect to be succesfull no matter how you play. For reconships you also want at least level 4 recon if not 5 due to the range of heavy neuts on battleships. Those are just 2 examples i can think of by ships i fly when i try to find pvp in this game. Both those skills take around 25 days to learn which is a very long time. ok I know I'm spaming posts but ehatever. I am a logi pilot with 45 million sp, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Getting logi 5 is important, and you do need it to be a good pilot. But getting to level 5 logi only takes 30 days or so. So one month. You don't need all of the shield rep skills at level 5, that extra 5% will not keep anyone alive. Sure I got them after a while, but I was great logi pilot even without them. I have like what, 3 losses of logi ships? I've flown in 100s of combat situations. but if you know what your doing and your team does what it should, you'll never lose a logiship. you keep each other alive, and your team keeps tacklers off you at all costs. The sp is not important. You disagree with me yet you confirm what i posted. 30days of training 1 skill to level 5 is a very long time and is like you said very important. Therefor you agree with me that skillpoints are very important in pvp, because you can not disagree with that you cant pvp with a logistics when your skill at level 2 or 3. And yes you need to know what you are doing only thats normal. In pvp situations like in the tounament you have teams who practice on live servers so they know what to do. Its the same thing with gear/skill in other mmo's, sure your gear can be superior but if you fail you lose anyway. However in high end gaming where mistakes are rare the gear in those games and in eve they are skillpoints are a very important part of the outcome of the fight. But this discussion isnt about pvp in general its about the characters in the tournament. It seems when ccp does a marketing event to send out a bunch of dev is premade characters they have no problems giving these characters all skills to 5. However when it comes to a official tournament its to much effort for them to make premade characters. That is probably the reason why there arent premade characters. Can't help up notice that you still don't have an answer for me. Why do you expect that a player who is not willing to invest the time to train the skill points they think they need to have an edge in a tournament setting to be granted an "even" footing in the tournament? It seems to me that you think that people should not be rewarded for their time investments and that people not willing to make those time investments (oh god, not a whole month for a skill, that's almost as bad as the 33 days of BC 5 I just queued up!) should be rewarded for not being willing to make those same investments.

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